On episode 80, we have three ladies on to discuss their experiences with the IVF process. We have returning guest from episode 50, Sonia. Sonia had a 6-year IVF journey to her pregnancy at 44 with her daughter using donor eggs. Nisha had a 2-year IVF journey to her pregnancy at 43 with her first transfer of one embryo that led to twin girls. Adriana is a first-time guest sharing her 7-year journey to motherhood. IVF has NOT worked for her ,and her journey continues. The goal of this show is to share their experiences of the IVF process, so you can be more confident if IVF is right for you. This show was long enough that it was split up into two shows: Episode 80 & 81. This is the first half of the discussion. You can find Part II, as Episode 81 here.
Sonia recently moved to Arizona from Texas and is 45. Her husband is in the Air Force and was restationed there. She has a daughter who is now 14 months that was conceived using donor eggs. She feels very lucky everything worked out for her. She is a professor of political science, but now she is diving into this world and possibly making a bit of a career change. It’s exciting, but it’s also really sad because there is work that needs to be done. There is a need for to help women and legislators. It’s not even about awareness, it’s about how can we craft better legislation to help women.
Nisha is from London and 44 with 10-month twin girls using the IVF process with her own eggs. Nisha is a sales trainer and mentor. She is about to launch a new business within the same industry supporting young salespeople to be better at their craft. She went back to work after six months of maternity leave and she has been trying to create a balance. Nisha wasn’t ready to go back to work full time and not sure she ever will be. There are things that are just as important that she needs to balance in her world.
Adriana is from Fort Worth and 45. She is in the banking industry and just celebrated sixteen years with her employer. She started a new position in April at the regional level, covering DFW, New Mexico and West Texas. However, IVF hasn’t been successful for her. She’s has two failed IVF cycles, one failed IUI, and a canceled IUI and IVF cycle. A huge thank to her for having the courage to discussion her experiences!
What is IVF?
Jamie gets so confused when someone says they are doing IVF because it’s a 50-step process. IVF is simply the process of creating an embryo in the lab no matter whose egg or sperm it is.
For this show, we are going to be more focused on the common way of going through the process, which is having an egg retrieval and using your own eggs with a partner. Sonia and I have different experiences with donor eggs, but you can listen to the Donor Egg Round Table Discussion for more information.
Did you consider any other options before IVF?
Nisha: The IVF process was always my first choice. I’d say no, aside from obviously trying naturally, but I was very open to different contingency plans if IVF didn’t work.
Adriana: Not really. I knew when I was 37 that I had diminished ovarian reserve. When I froze my eggs, I thought this was the only way I would be able to get pregnant. So, no. I didn’t consider anything else. I did try an IUI after IVF.
Sonia: IVF wasn’t on our radar at all. We tried IUI’s and when they ‘didn’t work’ because I missed carried… I think I was in denial because I thought this other stuff (IUI’s) had to work.
What do you think made IVF different in your forties versus being younger?
Adriana: I really had to think about this one. I think the process is the same for everyone: The ups and down roller coaster, hurry up and wait, all of these things. However, I think just our clock is ticking and knowing a failed cycle or something that didn’t come back normal could delay you a month or two. I think that would be the only difference. We just don’t have as much time. Ideally, I thought I’m going to do IVF, take a month off and then do another one. Then another, I’ll be done in six months, and I’ll have a baby.
Sonia: Yes, I would agree. I never struggled with my age. Even getting older, I just always saw it as a privilege until infertility slammed me in the face. Then, like a crazy person, every time I would watch a show or see a celebrity that I knew had been around, I’m Googling how old they are like a psycho person. How old am I? How do they look? All of that was triggered from infertility. That piece, at least for me, I felt my age, and I don’t want to be dramatic, but there were some dark days.
Nisha: My husband is 11 years younger than me. If you met him, he acts about 20 years older than me, so I call him a walking Buddha. Since meeting him, I had that kind of conversation in my head about his age. At what point am I going to find out that it’s not the right match because he’s so much younger. It’s not going to work because I’ve just seen this thing in him where he’s so immature, but it just never happened. And then when I started thinking about fertility and IVF, the pressure was on. Just like you Sonia, I would start Googling celebrities. If that celebrity can get pregnant at that age, then I can, too. I would look for inspiration with older women constantly. I came across this podcast after I’d had the babies, but I think this podcast inspires so many women. If you’re trying for a baby, you look for that comparison and think to yourself, they can do it and you need that to keep going. It’s like you’re fighting against time.
How was your IVF experience overall?
Sonia: Emotionally: awful. In terms of the clinic that I chose and the RE that I worked with, that part was good. There’s a lot of clinics, at least in the U.S., that will push IVF first on everybody, regardless of what your needs are or what your diagnosis is. I never felt that pressure. It was, “here’s the data. Here’s what we’re looking at, and here’s the probability.” I got to make the choice and they supported me. I was in the infertility tunnel vision and wanted to do another IUI because they were working, but not really because I was having miscarriages. They agreed to do it one more time. I don’t want to say they humored me, but I think they saw the pain and agreed to try one more time. My IVF experience was six years.
Nisha: I think it got harder towards the end when I was waiting for results after my body went through the injections, and my hormones were all other the place. At the beginning, I ran on adrenaline feeling like I’m ready, I’m fresh, I can conquer the world, let’s go for it, so I was positive. Then slowly it took a toll, and I had a mental battle towards the end. I’m definitely one of the lucky ones where my journey wasn’t very long. Even though at every stage, they said, “just to be clear at your age the probability of falling pregnant is very low. Your egg reserve is very low. Every month you leave it, it’s less likely that you’re going to fall pregnant,” so you’re already bombarded with these facts because they don’t want to give you false hope. I had to mentally push against that at a time where your body is also physically tired and you’re emotionally drained. I’d say my experience was actually fine, but towards the end was when I remember it being really tough. Those were my darkest days.
Adriana: I started in 2017 with my OBGYN, and I thought about checking my fertility. She referred me to a couple of doctors but I went with the first one. I would say my experience was good. It is such a roller coaster. I’m not an emotional person, so it was weird going through the ups and downs of all the emotions. That office was great, and I loved the doctor. The second clinic, I drove about an hour and 15 minutes. I knew the doctor when he was doing his residency here in Fort Worth. I like him a lot, and I really like the staff there. I felt like they were more responsive and had the technology my previous doctor didn’t have. The second time was definitely tough because I was going through the entire process and not just freezing my eggs. When I froze my eggs in 2017, I thought when I’m ready to have a baby, I’m just going to go through with the process and put it out of my mind. The second one was definitely more difficult and more challenging. It’s an emotional roller coaster, along with a lot of hurry up and wait. You would think the waiting would be the easy part, but your brain is just going through every scenario…googling… researching… but there’s really nothing you can do.
What was your journey to IVF and tell us a little more about your journey?
Nisha: We got married over COVID and I rushed through it just because I wanted to be married and then try for a baby. We tried for a year naturally, but it wasn’t happening. We did all the tests and my husband’s sperm count and quality were fine. It was my egg count in terms of quality and quantity, which was low. We were advised to go straight into IVF because every month you’re delayed, it’s going to be harder and harder. I did three egg retrievals, the process was probably about two years in total, and we ended up with two viable embryos. We transferred one embryo in September and I got pregnant with that first embryo.
Adriana: Initially in 2017, I thought I was going to have so many eggs. I really didn’t know how many I was supposed to have. I knew nothing. At 37, my AMH was 0.16. The doctor told me my insurance didn’t cover IVF, and it is a very expensive process. He said, “I will support you. I will do whatever you want me to do, but I want to give you the statistics. I want you to be informed because right now I may be able to get 2-3 eggs, but you’ll have to make the decision.” At 37, I wasn’t in a relationship. I thought about it and cried about it. I thought nobody in my family has ever had any issues, why me? My sister is a nurse but she doesn’t specialize in fertility, so I told her she needed to come back with me to this doctor and tell me what she thought. What are your thoughts? I decided to do it, and got 6 eggs. We celebrated! I thought I was going to have twins, and we high fived! Then I didn’t think about it until 2022. I was in a relationship in 2022 and ended up getting pregnant on my own in the first 3 months of the relationship. I didn’t think we had a chance because my AMH then was 0.092. At my 8-week sonogram, the baby didn’t have a heartbeat. That’s when I started thinking that I have to really figure out my timeline: When do we want to do this? I didn’t allow myself to feel anything because we were going to do this.
In February, 2023, we decided to finish the IVF process, which was easy because I didn’t have to do anything. Get the frozen six eggs, five survived the thaw, all fertilized, and two made it to blastocyst. The initial report said they looked really good, and that they were good quality. Then they both came back with abnormalities. I put all my eggs in one basket. I thought, I’m 37, I have eggs. Dr. Ku told me I was probably going to have twins. Now we’re back to square one. I have nothing. What are we going to do? Let’s just throw a Hail Mary: Let’s just try an IUI because it was covered by my insurance. That didn’t work. Then, the clinic was having staff issues. They weren’t returning my calls, and you know how stressful that is. I decided to leave the clinic. What I did appreciate is that he called me after I reported that I was not pregnant, and he took the time to talk to me about it.
Then I listened to Sonia’s podcast, and I thought I knew that doctor. I used to work with him when I was in college. I started going to Dr. Ku. Then I had to cancel an IUI due to covid. I had an IVF with a fresh transfer that didn’t work. Then I had another cycle that was canceled because I had zero follicles at that time.
I think it’s important because I treated this as a secret, I’m wasn’t telling anyone. It’s such a lonely road, and I just want more awareness so people know this is what you can do. You should reach out to others and have your support tribe. I’m going to do IVF, so it’s going to work. I didn’t think there was another option.
Sonia: I think it’s all part of what women need to know. Especially as they age and what this process looks like and planning ahead and thinking about what you want. Thinking that this is my 100%, this is a possibility, but I still need to be proactive if having children in this way is what I want.
How did you find your clinic? What was important to you?
Adriana: I mentioned earlier that the first one was through my OBGYN. The second one was through Sonia.
Nisha: Yes. In terms of paying for IVF, I’m not sure what the rules are in the US. In the UK, once you get to 40, a lot of boroughs within the UK stop supporting IVF, so you can’t get it for free from the NHS, the National Health Service. My doctor was really trying to push for it and was trying to find out whether my local borough would support it. Unfortunately, I couldn’t so I had to go through the private route. I have a friend of mine who lives in a borough where the hospitals supported women up until 43, so she’s going to get one round for free. It’s a stupid rule. It another example of how people write you off. It needs to change.
Sonia: Mine was my first clinic because I was one of the lucky ones where it’s my first clinic, my only clinic. I didn’t get really any other second opinions, but I think because everything was pretty straight forward. I didn’t feel like I was going to get a different answer going somewhere else. I think part of that is age, but then also just what’s happening and circumstance. My OB and my primary care doctor referred me to Dr. Ku. I met with him, he’s dorky and I love it so much. It was just a good match. Not everybody jives with every RE because some women that are more into the reproductive immunology. My clinic isn’t opposed to, but they definitely don’t specialize in it and not part of their protocol. If somebody wants that, then they need to find another clinic that does. That’s the other thing to explain to women that you need to find a doctor that is going to listen to you, but then you also need to do some of the work yourself. Even if you have a really supportive doctor, reach out to other women.
What questions should you ask your clinic during a consultation?
Sonia: There are a thousand of them, I would say if we’re targeting women in our age group, then I would definitely get them to write down what their stats are. If they give you a 10% chance, understand that. Yes, it’s a possibility, but how small that possibility is. When do they do a retrieval? Some clinics won’t do a retrieval if you only have three follicles or maybe one. Some clinics don’t do many IVF right now. So, really understanding what’s going to be most beneficial for your age or diagnosis. Then understanding is that clinic providing you with that?
Nisha: Don’t be afraid to ask them to use really simple language and to define everything and explain the journey, so you can process it in your head. I held back quite a bit because I was quite intimidated by my doctor. He was lovely, but I just felt like maybe that’s a stupid question. Maybe I shouldn’t ask that. Maybe I’ll Google that later, but actually, this is your one chance and your opportunity where you’ve got that expert in front of you. Don’t hold back. Even if you think it’s a silly question, just ask it because I’m sure they’ve heard it all before. I found it comforting to always have a contingency plan in place with the doctor. So, if this doesn’t happen, what’s next? And the great thing is, he would always say, let’s focus on this first, and then we’ll move on to the next if it doesn’t happen. However, these could be your routes. Those are probably my recommendations in terms of the questions and the kind of experience with your doctor during those consultations.
Sometimes it’s just like when I do my sales training, sometimes I walk away am I insulting them by saying you should do x, y, and z? So, when you’re an expert, you just assume that people know stuff, but there were some things that I really didn’t know. I didn’t even know what an embryo was when I first started. At first, I was so stupid with the whole thing. I was so naïve, I had no idea what I was getting myself into. But I really didn’t care and didn’t hold back. Just even asking things like, how much is this going to hurt. I needed explanation for everything. Like, how is it going to feel? How am I going to know what my symptoms are? What could be my possible symptoms? I wanted to know the statistics, but I also very quickly learned that statistics don’t mean anything. I smashed every statistic out there. Don’t be afraid to ask about anything.
Adriana: I think the first thing that is helpful is before you have your appointment, whether it’s 2 weeks, a month, or whatever, just sit down and really write down your questions. I am very type A, so I will sit there and write all of the questions. Just doing some research for me, was okay. What is the communication with the office? Do they have an app? It’s very easy to communicate if they have an app. Do your research. What is the communication with the office? Do you like playing phone tag? Just explain the process from a-z. I was probably in there an hour to hour and a half, and he didn’t look at his watch. Was he drawing diagrams while you spoke? If there is a power outage, is there backup? Those are important questions and get the most out of your appointment. Or asking if this doesn’t work, what is the next step?
Did you feel informed and educated while going through IVF with your clinic? What was the education like?
Nisha: In some ways, yes. In other ways, no. Yes in terms of the practical things like how to inject, when to take tablets, what the tablets mean and what it’s doing to my body. But, in other ways, for example, I was told that there was no point even talking about twins because there’s only a 1% chance of the embryo splitting. I don’t know what happened. So, I would say I feel quite mixed in terms of how informed I was and how educated I was. I think I didn’t even bother doing any research on twins because I just thought it’s not going to happen. I thought the nurses and the sonographers got it wrong. I told them to check about 50 times. If I knew that there was going to be a possibility of that happening, I probably would have educated myself a bit more, but I felt like aside from the whole twin thing, I still felt like they would explain things. I would still want to back up their statistics with more statistics from Google. Or learn about more side effects that this specific injection could have. It was a mixed bag.
Adriana: I felt the same way because I knew nothing and I’m learning so much. I’m thinking I know everything now. But, again, the first time when I froze my eggs walking away in my head, I was thinking this is going to work. I will have a set of twins. That’s it. There just so much more to it. I’m mixed as well.
I didn’t even think about that until my retrieval because, initially, we thought we were going to get maybe two eggs, maybe three. It ended up being six, all mature. I’m just a high producer of eggs over here. Good quality, they’re mature. As I’m coming out of the anesthesia, the doctor walks in and he’s celebrating with me. He told me he was going to get me twins. So, that was in my brain since I was 37. Not only was I thinking I was going to have one, he was like, no, we can do this. It was very misleading.
Yes. I had already exceeded our expectations from day one, thinking I don’t know if I want to do this. It may be 2 or 3 eggs because he was going to do a retrieval regardless of how many eggs I had or follicles. So he says, it’s my choice. You tell me. I’m just giving you the information. So, I think towards the end is where I just walked away thinking this is it. I’m going to freeze these eggs and when I’m ready, I’m just going to have a baby. I asked the doctor how long do I have to use these eggs. He said I was very healthy and have a beautiful uterus, so whenever. I was not pressed for time at all.
Sonia: Yes, I would say it’s also mixed. The education stuff. How to do all the injections and the YouTube videos. I was really supported. But, then I think, about the emotional side. Then they tell me I might gain some weight easily until I started IVF and all those drugs. They overpowered my body even after the first round of doing an IUI and not even introducing Menopur or anything like that. It was wild to me. I wasn’t expecting that. That part I wasn’t expecting. The high emotions and the low, like I wasn’t expecting any of it. It was that part that knocked me on my ass for sure. And then the emotional devastation. They said, sorry, you’re not pregnant. Like at first it didn’t work and I’m devastated, but then they asked me if I was ready to go again? And I’m sitting there asking myself if I should feel devastated? Can we can do this? It was so weird. Other women in the community cradled that spot for me and helped me get through those things.
Adriana: And I agree with Sonia. We don’t talk about how it affects your body and how much weight you gain or the inflammation. I feel like my body has just been inflamed and bloated for two years. You know, and even when I took breaks from IVF or after my miscarriage, I could never get my hormones back to normal and everybody around you thinks you’re crazy. Adriana, you just need to be more disciplined. Like no, I am very disciplined. I’m following this workout program. I’m eating a healthy diet. Nothing was working, but it’s also a lot of stress.
Jamie: At every appointment, they ask me what my pre-pregnancy weight is. That is not a fair question to ask someone that has been doing IVF. I felt like I was on a conveyor belt of this is what I’m suppose to do. It wasn’t about who you are or your story. It’s you are on this conveyor belt and you just do the next step. I felt like that for a while. They sent us videos, but it was just like here’s a link. Do the videos and that is your education. I kind of felt like that lacked. I feel like we need a little bit more walk-through during the process.
How would you suggest someone prepare for IVF mentally and physically?
Adriana: Mentally, if you can find a therapist, I think that would be great. Finding a therapist that focuses on or infertility is there specialty is so difficult. Because you can go through your insurance and see it says these people, or these doctors or these therapists specialize in this. You call, but they do not. So, there are very, very few, but find a really good therapist that can help you and that can, hopefully, understand what you’re going through because no one else will understand, quite honestly. Also, if you feel comfortable telling your closest friends or family or just a circle of people, so that you can also talk to them to have some sort of outlet. Because it is an emotional roller coaster and it is a lonely road and you feel like you’re going crazy. I think just having that outlet will really help mentally, and also just staying active for me helped me mentally. That helps whether it’s just going for walk. Enjoy nature. That helps me manage my stress. Physically, I’ve always been a pretty healthy person, so I didn’t change really anything. I felt like I was in a good path. As a matter of fact, I started training maybe a year before. I was working with a personal trainer, and I said, you know, I want to complete this IVF process. Do you know what we should be working on? So I followed a meal plan, a workout and I continued that. So, I think just staying active is really important and having a healthy diet.
Sonia: Yes, I would say kind of piggybacking off of the circle. I’ve called it like your personal board of directors. Who’s going to be the people that you go to in this process? Who are you going to go to during the process? It might not be your best friend because she hasn’t gone through this. They might say a well-intentioned thing, but the worst thing at the worst time can send you spiraling. So that friend, who’s special, sacred and can still be a forever friend may not be the person that you need right now as you’re starting this process. Especially, someone that hasn’t been through the process. Read what other women have gone through. Listen to their podcasts. It’s not even about the age thing, but listen to what other women have gone through. The person on the board of directors, though, is your first step mentally and then physically. They told me to not exercise because you’re going to wrap around your ovaries. I felt like it was just doom and gloom. I can’t really sprint. I should have asked more questions. What can I do? When they said I couldn’t work out, let’s try to be a little bit more specific next time and ask those questions.
Jamie: I would also say, look for other people that have definitely done IVF because I struggled talking to people that have never done it. They just don’t understand. It’s hard to say that they’re probably not a good support system.
Nisha: Physically, meditation got me through a lot of the during, but also before. For me, breathing through it and just kind of saying to myself, I’m going to be okay, not matter what, whatever the outcome and actually, just trying to let go of the process, like the control.
There’s only so much you can do and then you’ve got to let it go. I don’t have control over this. I’ve got to let go of the outcome. I’ll put a hundred percent into it. So journaling, meditation, walks, visualization, whatever works for you. I definitely encourage that. I think mentally there’s so many things and you know, Adriana, Sonia, you’ve kind of covered most things that I was thinking, but one: It is really important to me is to have a thing about who you want to share information with. No doubt, everyone around you is going to be concerned and care and probably know that you’re going to be going through IVF because you’re not drinking anymore and you’re not going out as much. But, it’s okay to say, I don’t really want to talk about it, or I’ll let you know if I’ve got anything to share. Don’t be afraid to actually protect yourself and to not have to share. You’re not indebted to anyone. I found that really hard because I felt like people care, so I should share and I should tell them and update them. And there were so many days where I didn’t want to and I didn’t want to talk to anyone about it. And, it was only until I spoke to my husband and said, I’m feeling really overwhelmed because everyone keeps messaging me and asking me how is it going? And I just didn’t want to say anything. And he said to just tell them you’ll share if you’ve got any news, but you need some space. I did that. I think that was me respecting myself and protecting myself. I think that’s really important to do. Don’t be afraid to do the same.
What advice would you have for women starting IVF?
Sonia: Going back to that personal board of directors, finding those people that can support you. They can be your best friend, but who also have had some experience or can really empathize with. What this process is about to do, because the medications, the emotions, the rollercoasters, the all of these pivots that inevitably happen to a lot of women. And then if you’re the person that doesn’t need or doesn’t like the “everything’s going to be okay or it’s all going to work out,” which most people who haven’t been through this process will say. That’s well intentioned, I think, but really finding other women in particular who have gone through it. And then, also, who have a similar approach to how you handle things. If you’re really religious, find other women who are religious, who are also going through IVF. If you’re not right, like that, like those things matter. when it comes to how you find support.
Nisha: It’s really funny when you say it verse when other people say it to you. It’s completely different when you say it to yourself. If someone else has said to me, “No matter what, you’re going to be okay,” I would have wanted to punch them in the face. When I say it to myself, it was really important because it was me protecting myself again. It was almost like strengthening my mental health by saying, “I’m going to be okay, no matter what. I’m going to be okay.” It was just really important to repeat that to myself. We’re so good at beating ourselves up, aren’t we? We’re so good that I guarantee you, everyone that’s going through IVF are putting 150% into this. They’re doing what they feel is right. There’s no way someone’s going through all of this hardship and saying, ah, “Screw it. I can’t be bothered today. I think I’m going to smoke a cigarette. I’m going to have a glass of wine.” No one is doing that. But, yet you go to bed saying, “Oh, did I, did I, maybe I walked too fast. Maybe I timed my medication a bit late…” Stop feeling guilty. Stop beating yourself up and please just be kind to yourself. I think that’s the biggest advice I can give. Do things that make you happy because it’s bloody tough and the worst thing you can do is feel that you’re not doing enough because you are enough.
I’ve got shivers down my spine just thinking about all these women out there are just so hard on themselves. You have just got to stop it. You’ve got to be more kind to yourself. It’s not right.
Adriana: I’ll start with what Sonia talked about having board directors. I think I’m going to steal that one from you. Yeah, I think it’s great because I always mentioned my inner circle or my tribe, but I think that’s good. It’s really good because you will think of who I want in my person board of directors and who will be supportive to me.
And I think they’ll take their job more seriously, too, if you call it that. The other thing: if you’re just starting IVF, I feel like thinking about your job as well, maybe trying to lighten the load, if possible. I know sometimes it is not. The job that I’m currently in is so flexible and I can make my own schedule. I’m running around to my doctor every other day or however often I went. The job that I’m going to be going into is It’s insane. I’m going to be working probably twice as much. I’m going to be traveling. Thinking of those women and don’t be afraid to say no. I am that person that I will volunteer. And I’m asking myself why did I volunteer. I have this other personal thing going on. Now I have to rearrange this. It’s insane. Say no. Don’t feel bad about it. Just give yourself that space and that time to take care of yourself.
The third thing that I’ve learned: make your partner part of the process. Initially, my partner said, “you just don’t share what’s going on. You’re going to make the decisions.” I’m doing all these things and I thought he’s right because I’m just here and I’m the one that talking to the insurance, I am the one going to the doctor, I am the one talking to the pharmacy. So, he’s right. I told him, “you know, you may not understand the roller coaster that I’m going through, but I think these are some of the things that you can do. So, start taking your vitamin, right? Are you taking your vitamin every day? So, that’s one thing you’re contributing because that’s what the doctor told us to do to prepare. Listen to this couple, they have a podcast. You can get a different side or a different perspective from them.” If he doesn’t do those things, it’s probably a red flag, right? In my case, I’m trying to get him involved in the process and it’s very, very difficult. Maybe some of the things he can do if you are on the same insurance plan. Maybe having him order the meds for you or giving you the shots. Talk to the insurance and billing department. So those little tasks, maybe getting them involved and always communicating to make sure you’re both on the same page. It’s very easy to just go in different directions because you’re here and he’s asking where is the fun Adriana. I’m not going to complain because then I’m going crazy and then I’m a complainer. So, I’m just going to keep going, just keep moving forward.
That’s the end of Part I of the IVF over 40 Round Table discussion. Stay tuned for Part II where we discuss each step of the process and our experiences. Part II was published on April 29, 2024.
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